At 22, today’s guest was a corporate success with a 6-figure job. He quit it all to post half-naked selfies as an online fitness coach and hasn’t looked back sense.
Here to not only give entrepreneurs health and fitness advice as you do your daily grind, he also shares ideas on how to follow your dreams and make the jump like he did.
Please welcome Moe Ghias.
- 00.00.22 Life of Moe Ghias
- 00.05.20 Fitness Inspiration
- 00.27.31 Business’ Survival
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Oh, Ghias my buddy. My man. Welcome morning from others. Thank you, man. Thank you for having me. You and I, we had dinner just a couple days ago. That’s cool. Um, meeting up in person. I can’t say that about too many, too many of my guests. So we’re going to have a good one today. Totally. I’m excited, man. All right.
Question number one. Who are you? Why do we care about you? What are we gonna learn from you? Bro. So coach Mo uh, online fitness coach, then a power lifter, men’s physique athlete, Don at all, and now I help people lose 20 pounds, but also keep them off for the longest time. So like one of the biggest challenges with fitness, a lot of times people lose the weight and then to gain it all back plus more so, yeah, that’s my specialty.
And obviously we’ll dive more into it as it goes. Yeah. Yeah. We’re going to jump into that. Excuse me. But not tell question number two is what do you suck at Mo. What do I suck at? Um, I would say one of the skills I’m really working on right now, since you have a lot of entrepreneur audience is delegating.
So all my life I’ve been a go getter. I like getting shit done fast. I learned early on that if you want something done fast, do it yourself. Um, so now as an entrepreneur, having employees and then, you know, outsourcing. So, um, I’m getting a lot better at it, um, because I realized how important it is to delegate, but it’s just something I think that a year ago I really sucked at, and now I’m like slowly working my way up.
Do you find yourself wanting to micromanage as, as you start delegating that out? Is that what’s tripping you up? No broke. So it’s the opposite. So like, I just don’t um, I used to be, I think, such a nice guy that I just I’m like, Hey, I’ll take all the load. I can take it. You know, like you just sit down and relax.
And, and what had happened was like, the shit wouldn’t get done, or it was below the optimal level that it should have been done at because I did it all. And it was just, yeah, like I think it was just some childhood limiting belief. And now it’s. I don’t micromanage because I think I’ll read it enough leadership books that I don’t do that way.
I do it as like, I’m like, Hey, I like yesterday, for example, we were working on this new product and it’s like, basically a checklist of fat loss. So it was like, okay, like, Hey, you’re not losing fat about go through this checklist. It’s kind of like a lucid chart. And then at the end of it, you will know why you’re not, and you can just focus on that one thing.
So I built it, I wrote it out, but it’s been sitting on my desk for like three weeks and yesterday. I gave it to my assistant coach and I was like, Hey, all I want you to do is just put it on PDF. Boom, boom, boom. And he’s like, yeah, cool. I can do that. And I was like, I want you to be creative. It’s up to you.
All I want is like, at the end of the day, this is the end result a PDF. So just so we get, we can have it for good. And he totally understood that. And so in his head he knew what to do. Like he will be he’s creative enough that his own process of getting it right. But he knows what I’m expecting. I’m expecting a PDF.
Right. And so he’s just like just giving people the room, but still getting them a little bit of guidance that, Hey, this is the end result. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. All right. So let’s talk about, um, fitness, you know, you, I can’t remember what the post was. It was some on Facebook or something, and somebody said, ah, it might’ve, it might’ve been you or it was somebody in the reply of one of your posts.
And it was, I need an alternative to lady bosses and I said, and you know what, ma I thought of another one. You could have them bros low gross. As he writes it down. Yes. I got a candidate in there. It’s yeah. Like, I mean the lady bosses they’re yeah. They’re, they’re crushing it. Yeah. Well, you know, it goes back to branding and, um, alright, so, so what’s the, how did you get into you have a, kind of an interesting story because you weren’t always Mr.
Fitness. So how did you get in. Yeah, man. So I was, uh, studying engineering and science in college and the goal was to become a medical doctor. And I was, you know, and I was working as an intern at a hospital at the age of 17. And yeah, it was, I was loving that life. I loved helping people. I love being in the hospital.
I’m the type of guy that. You know, kind of loves whatever he does. Like I’m never the guy that’s like, oh my fucking God, it’s Monday. Like I just, I love what I do every day and rather whatever job I’ve had, I think I’ve pretty much loved it all because. I was doing it for that reason. I was like, I have to enjoy my life at the same time.
So when I started hating something, I know it’s time to walk away or something needs to change. So for me at that time, I was loving being a student. I was loving just the whole university college life. But at the same time, like college studying engineering and science, these are tough subjects. So like you end up working really hard.
And you work so hard that you end up neglecting your health. And I think a lot of entrepreneurs face that and their business, they work on their business so much, they neglect their own health. It’s just, it feels like a natural thing that happens where you are so obsessed with your business or for me with school at a time that I just like kept getting fat.
And then one day I was just so tired. So tired of it. I looked at myself. Literally have belly fat. I’m like 19 years old, 20 years old. I have belly fat. I don’t look good. I don’t feel good. And it’s just like, I want, I need to get back into fitness. And I had like strength training background from high school a little bit.
I was like, I need to get back into it. But every time I would like go to the gym, I would do it for two days, three days. And then I would just stop all of a sudden I would just not do it again. I would just stop and then I’d forget about it. And then whenever I felt fat again, I would start doing it again.
And I would do it for two more days. Stop. And it was just like a fucking yo-yo dieting, uh, approach to everything. Cause I really didn’t know what I was doing. A lot of the time people come to me, they’re like, yeah, like I know how to train. I know how to eat. Right. And then they keep doing what I was doing.
And a lot of the time when that happens, you really don’t know what you’re doing. Um, as you’re guessing, and you’re making this kind of like the same thing with SEO, like, I don’t know anything about SEO, but if I pretended I knew something about. Maybe I would take one to two steps and then I would not do it for a week and then I would do it again.
And it’s like, this is bad cycle. Um, so like I was honest with myself. I was like, dude, you don’t know what you’re doing. Um, so let’s do this last, play soccer and, and, you know, lose some fat. So I tried playing soccer game three of the season. I ended up tearing my ACL cause I was really that out of shape and uh, that whole process of physical therapy.
Being sad and being mad at myself, like how did this happen? It got me realizing, I love strength training cause her physical therapy for ACL surgery, especially you need to really have strong legs and they would pull me through a lot of leg workouts. The physical therapist would, and I just loved it to a point where after the 33, I was supposed to do like four months of PT and I like after month two, The doctor cleared me.
He’s like, you’re all good. Like, you don’t need to keep going back. And the reason for that was I hired a trainer after the month one, and we started training lags. We started doing full on strength training, and I was just loving it. I fell in love with the game of it all. And, uh, then after that it was just like, okay, now like foresee, lose the fat.
Then you do want to get abs. So you get the ads and then you just goal after goal after goal that it just, and then the validation is always there. So for me, like I started. People started telling me how good I looked and that was good validation. And then, and then like to summarize it all two and a half years of doing that, I graduated college and I started getting ready for my first, uh, physique fitness modeling show.
And that’s where you go there and your best shape. And you’re competing against guys who are also in their best shape. And then the vendor takes on the trophy. So for me, it was just like the first show 2017. I took home like two trophies and that felt really good. Yeah, I for my first year, and that was like, I had no intentions of being a trainer that was just me wanting, just loving this whole like lifestyle.
And, uh, and then I did power lifting golf first place there in 2019. And then earlier this year I competed in LA FedEx boat, which is a really big contract. And, uh, yeah, got fourth place there for physique and yeah, man, now I’m just like, I’m less of an athlete, but more of a coach. So I still like look really good and feel really good and try to stay in good shape.
But, um, now the priority is how can I give these results and teach them to my clients and continue. You know, like help other people, you touched on something. I was going to ask you about, about how people come to you and say, I know what to do, but they just don’t get the results. So is it obviously, it’s a lack of, part of, it’s a lack of understanding of, you know, the proper things to do and form and this and that.
But I imagine an equally, an equally large part of it is just like how to get in a mindset of it. Doing it just doing it. Yeah. Like some people just, they, they just don’t start. So like in their head, they’re so convinced that they know what to do, that they don’t even do it. And a lot of the time that happens because there’s some missing steps in their head.
So like, even though they know I need to eat less and I need to move more. And I’m like, why aren’t you doing it? Why are not, are you not doing it? And, and at the end of the day, it comes down to them, not knowing all the steps. And a lot of the time it’s like, Hey, like, okay, you’re not doing it because you’re not scheduling your day.
Right. You’re not training properly because you’re not sleeping enough the night before. And all of it, like once you really dive into it as an expert, you can diagnose really well, like. Oh, we’re like 300 people. So like, I get really good at it, but a lot of the time I think. People have to be honest with yourself, like you have to be so on yourself and be like, Hey, I, if I knew what to do, I wouldn’t be this overweight or I wouldn’t look like this because, and I even, I’m honest with myself at that time.
So like, if I’m like looking at my business and I’m like, Hey, we’re not very, we need. I’m like in my brain, I’m really trained myself to be like, okay, if we’re not very, we need to be either it’s like a mindset thing or it’s a lack of skill. I I’m missing some skillset that requires me to go there. So for fitness is the same thing.
So if you’re someone that is healthy, but you still have belly fat and you don’t like the way you look, you’re missing some skillset, you know, you think, you know it all you don’t and it’s just, yeah. It’s like, you got to train yourself a little differently. Uh, our abs really made in the kitchen. Abs are made, abs are made in the gym, but they’re wheeled in the kitchen.
Yeah. Thanks for Clara. All right. All right. So why do you know earlier? You said that a lot of people will tackle fitness on their own and they may make some progress, but then they, yeah. Stopping at some point, not only did they gain the weight back, but often they’ll gain more than they began with. Why is that?
So the reason, I mean, there’s a scientific answer for that, which is metabolic adaptation. So every time we’d go on a really strict diet your body, whenever, because your body doesn’t want to lose fat, your body wants to stay in homeostasis and Veritas because. It’s kind of like, I mean, we’re designed for that.
So in the past, until about 1960s, we did not have enough food. So what happened was our bodies have been designed to store food. So whatever you eat, that’s why guys gain belly fat because it’s the best storage for fat cells in your body. So, yeah. Like your body just wants to hold onto every calorie that you consume.
Whereas nowadays we have over abundance of food. We have so much food that we literally have the opposite problem, which is that 39% of Americans are obese. The Pentagon considers obesity, a national security threat. So like, this is a bad problem, but at the same time, this only started in the 1950s and sixties.
So like it’s such a new thing. So a lot of people. They still think like, oh, like, you know what, I I’m just gonna, you know, do what they think is so easy to do, overcome obesity. And it’s even like the fitness people that say like, oh, it’s easy. Like you just do that. It’s not as easy as you think it is. You know?
Like it’s never that easy. So people like metabolic adaptation is not on your side. So you’re fighting against your own evolution. So like your body wants to store fat in reality. That much fat is not good for your heart or other things. So like you have to lean down. So it’s just like you’re fighting natural selection of millions of years.
Yeah. Yeah. Cause like, I mean, it’s so new. Like if you look at biology 60, like since 1960s, it’s only been 60 years in the eyes of biology. Seconds. That’s so small because when you look at evolution and biology, you’re looking at millennials and you’re looking at like thousands of years. Um, that’s how we have evolved.
So it’s just, yeah. That’s the short answer to a very good question, by the way. Yeah. All right. I got another good question for you. Um, you know, a lot of our listeners deal with diversity in some ways. So I kind of want to ask you a question that’s not so much with, uh, You know, fitness advice, but talking about you growing as an entrepreneur in the fitness world, because, you know, talk a little bit about your upbringing and how your, your background tends to influence the doctor, lawyer, you know, white collar type of approach, and you had all those amazing successes, the on-paper, um, make the people around you think you made it, and then you deciding.
That, that wasn’t right for you. And so maybe talk about two or three things, you know, one being, when you started to realize maybe I want to shift gears and then to like how you are willing, how you had to overcome, like politely acknowledging the people around you and saying, I get what you’re saying.
Yeah, we’re going to go do this other thing. That’s a great question. So yeah, man, like I was pretty traditional kid. I like my family moved here and when I was in eighth grade and uh, I learned English, I studied really hard. The goal was to get to the best college. I could get the best act score, get the best metals I could get and graduate, colada all up it.
Where did you move from? So the listeners kind of know. So pause and, um, yeah, so yeah, born and raised there and moved to Michigan Detroit civically, uh, at the age of 13, eighth grade, and then graduated high school with, you know, almost everything I wanted, like honors, all of it. And then got into my dream college.
Um, and that that’s where like I was really perseverance. So what happened was my act score was like two points lower than the college accepted. So I shit, you not, I retook the act five times just so I could get, I think, in the long run that saving me a lot of money. Yeah. That was a 16 year old kid, all alone.
His parents have no idea what he’s doing because my parents couldn’t even speak English. They did not go through the schooling system. So a 16 year old kid is continuously pushing against this mountain and he’s like, I’m gonna get it. And like, even me, I’m just like, man, that was some other kid. Like I was.
Yeah. I was 16 years old and I retook the act several times. And I don’t even tell that story a lot because most people don’t believe it. And, but I got the ACD score on it, got into school and yeah, now I was like an engineer, right. I was studying engineering and science and got the job of my dream working in the hospital, but it was just like, okay, this is a natural path, you know, like go through college, you get really good grades.
And then yeah, you become a doctor. You know that, that’s how you do it. And for me, As I was going through the process, I found myself leaning more towards the business side of the world. So like, even as a pre-med student studying bioinformatics and computational biology, I would. Uh, I would go to, like, I would join the business clubs.
I would go into like different, uh, clubs in the school that were like business minded or entrepreneur minded and none of the other pre-med students ever did that. I was like, who am I? You know, like when you start asking yourself, you’re like, why am I leaning towards this? When I know I need better grades in the pre-med to get to med school, which is the end goal.
So there were times when I questioned myself, I’m like, am I just being distracted? Or what is this. I know a lot of like a lot of people listening. It might be like, if you’re early in the process, It’s better to taste a few things. So for me that I did, I tasted business. I tasted entrepreneurship, but also I was on the medical side too.
And, um, but I kept going, man. And, um, there was a point when I applied to my favorite medical school and I got rejected because my standardized testing was never my strong suit, like act story. No, it’s the, the medical college admission test, which is an eight hour long test. And, and like that in addition to your GPA, that’s like the biggest thing that med schools look at before they qualify you in for like an interview.
And, um, yeah, like I was behind on the cat, so I just kept studying and studying. You know, when you start studying for something, there’s no juice behind it. There’s no passion behind it. You ended up like asking yourself, why am I even doing this? So in that process, I was like, you know what? A school doesn’t feel, right?
Like I’ve been in school for four and a half years. I want to get into the real world. Like pull me out. Yeah. And at that point, Gary V and all these social media, people were all over the YouTube. So I would watch their videos and Damon, they would inspire me more than my college professors ever did. They would, they would speak to me like Gary V’s videos or like grant Cardone and all these guys, the loud, loud mouth guys on social media.
I love them. I love them, but like at the same time, They would speak to me. Like it felt like they were speaking to me more than anybody else I was with. So I was just like, okay, there’s some business side to me. And, and, and even when I was in college, I used to tell myself that I I’m gonna run a hospital one day.
I’m going to be the CEO of the hospital. That’s why I have this business side. I was lying to myself in all honesty, but I was just like, okay, that’s how I’m going to combine business. And yeah. And, uh, but when I graduated college, I got the job of my dreams. I started doing healthcare consulting for 3m, and back then it was called a model, but 3m essentially.
And then, yeah, man, I started traveling all over the country. I was doing what I loved. I got the corporate car, I got the corporate credit card, all the checkboxes wear a suit to work. I was, I was 22 sitting in board meetings with the hospital CEOs and CMIOs and like the big deal people. And that’s part of the reason why I grew up beard because I would walk into the hospital and, uh, and it was all as a joke because I’m just like, no, dude, I’ve been doing this for five years.
Cause all throughout college, I was working at the hospital, so I’d stop it. And um, and now as an expert in this one area in healthcare and I could literally. I was really good at that job. And, uh, but it was, yeah, like I would. Come home. And literally two months into that job, I’ll come home. And this is probably something, every entrepreneur has probably felt I would come home, lay in bed at night and the inner voice would say, you’re not doing enough.
This is not enough. Like you can be doing so much more. And at that point I’m like eight hours away from my parents. I’ve left my hometown. So I left Detroit. Now I’m in Illinois for work and there’s nobody else, right? Like it’s a small little rural town that I’m in and everything. I would finish work every evening around 4:00 PM.
And then I would go to Starbucks from 4:00 PM to 10:00 PM until they closed. And I would just work on my side hustle. And then those days I wrote down a list of like seven things. I’ve always had like a money site to me. I was like, what could make me a millionaire? 10 years. And I wrote down a list of seven things and one of them was like, okay, I can build websites because I do have an engineering background.
I can do this for small businesses. And then one of them was like, I can build a workout programs for people, because at that point I just want to fit this. Yo. And, um, but I’ll, I’ll just say. Someone convinced me a business person convinced me that I was like fitness. That is, and then I paid him a lot of money.
He taught me the ropes. And, uh, after that, man, it was just, boom. I felt so good. Then now I had a vehicle. I had a focus, but at the same time I didn’t quit my job. So I kept doing that job for two and a half years after that. And I actually quit like four months ago, but I, I want him to be smart because I knew the job was my vehicle until my business takes off.
Because in the beginning days, you lack skills. In the beginning days, you lack the mindset and you lack things that you don’t even know, you lack. So a lot of the time people get into the online business world and they’re like, why am I not a millionaire yet? And they give up, right. Whereas the real question to ask is what skills do I not have that I need to have in order to become a man?
So it’s just like, I’ve always had a different mindset because in engineering, they put that in our head, like skills matters, skills matter, mindset matters. And sometimes you can gain the skill if you don’t have the mindset. So it’s like, uh, for me, I’ve always had an easier time, like, you know, the concept of mastery, it really speaks to me, like, get so fucking good at what you do that it just is second nature.
Yeah, it’s just like, it’s just, you know, you can wake up and do it like for this podcast. Like I was just like, yeah, Damon can throw any question at me and I, and I’ll be ready. And that confidence comes from doing work. I feel like just, you know, you’re constantly putting in the reps and then you’re getting better at what you do.
So yeah, like in those moments, I was just like, okay, I’m going to keep building in. Obviously there’s a lot of frustrations, ups and downs as you go through your journey. But at the end of the day, like you get to a point where. Everything opens up to you. And you’re like, okay, like now I have the clients, I got the resources.
I can walk away from my corporate job. And then like business is very fulfilling. So to tie it all together to your question, which was, um, checking off the check boxes when I was in corporate America. So in corporate America, I, you know, I had everything. It was just like, okay, wears a suit to work. Has a car, has this, has that.
But at the end of the day, I, my inner voice kept saying, you’re not doing it. And that inner voice guides me. So like for my business, it still guides me. Like I listened to it, but now it’s different because now I, everything stops at me. Like if I’m more skilled, everything’s better. If I’m, uh, you know, more on top of my game, everything is better.
So it’s just like running your own business at different high. And, and if there’s only one thing I could say to sum it all up, Running your own businesses, not for everything is not for everybody. Um, it’s some people are better off being the second person or like, you know, CMOs or other things and bigger companies than they are at running your own thing.
It’s a different, yeah. Well, I think that you kind of validated why that is, which I agree. You said the way you said it is taste a few things, and I’ve said the same thing, the way I position it is date your jobs and so kind of date and, uh, different careers and jobs and experiences. Take away from that relationship, what you like, and don’t like, learn from it, go into the next job, dating level up your relationship.
And if it doesn’t work out and then you continue dating your jobs until you find the one that you want to marry. So I agree, you know, as you go through that, as you go through that evolution, sometimes it makes sense. Like, I know a lot of guys that are awesome number twos and like they’re really good at being number two and that’s where they Excel.
And, but it’s like a train wreck if they remember. You know, they, they, they just do really good. They don’t need a lot of direction, but they just need, like, they just need like a little bit of an ability to have somebody guide them just every once in a while, but then they just kill it on everything else.
So, yeah. I agree. Um, you said a couple of times that you, your inner self kept saying that you’re not doing enough when you would feel that, what was it that you were not doing enough? Uh, was your, was your. Mind telling you, you’re not doing enough to fulfill your own interests. You weren’t doing enough to succeed, to get to the, you weren’t doing enough to get to the financial position.
You wanted to be like enough of what? Yeah, I think it was enough reaching my potential. So a lot of it was like, money was part of it. But at the same time, it wasn’t because at 22 I was making more money than I’ve ever made before. So I was like, okay. I felt pretty good. Um, but I think what it was was. I listen, my role models were people that were way ahead of me.
So like, It was just like listening to, at that time, I was obsessed with like all these, like yeah. Like people have already mentioned Gary and all these like social media people, and I would watch them. And I would, like, I was, I was at a point where I could like, just answer the questions of how they would answer it.
Right. So those that were in that situation, I was like, oh, Gary, do of what would this person, what would, what would Warren buffet do? Um, cause I’m a very studious person. So I like to read a lot and. For me, it was just like, I’m like, dude, like a corporate job, six figure salary can be the end of life. It’s not enough.
It’s just not enough. And it wasn’t the money. It was the impact. So like I had friends at the time that were, they had businesses and they were younger than me or some of them didn’t even graduate college. And, uh, they, their impact was big, greater than mine. My impact was my little circle. Their impact was hundreds and thousands of people.
And I’m like, what is it? Like, and so that voice on my inside would be like, Hey, like there’s more like, there’s more, you can do, like your message deserves to be heard. And, and just that craving, uh, for like being heard in a sense where like, it’s for good reasons, like, Hey, if you do this, you’ll like, they’ll get better.
So for me, that was the voice. And obviously like, Income and impact go hand in hand a lot of the time. So like, if you were impacting a lot more people, you’re more income. So money’s always been good. But at the same time, I’ve learned that money doesn’t motivate me as much as like the excitement of building a real business.
Yeah. It’s like once you get past the safety net of being able to pay for a place and put food on the table, not too much more than that really motivates you, you know, you, you treat yourself every once in a while. I’m the same. Like you, you become your own competition. You’re like, what’s next? What’s next?
What’s next? Yeah. What, um, you talked about doing the side hustle from four to 10 or something like that at Starbucks. Like what were you doing? What were you building? What was being created during those Starbucks? Yeah. So I used to, uh, one of the things that used to work on back then, it was like learning more.
It was the last thing. Uh, at that point I was learning a lot about sales, marketing, and copywriting. So for me, those were the skills. So I would read the books. I would watch like, you know, seminars and I was just like, I was so new to that whole world because I had no formal education or any education in the business side of things.
So I was like, I didn’t know what a lead was. I didn’t know anything. And now for my business’s survival, I needed to know those things. So every day there were times when I was more tempted to read more about fitness, and I’ll be like, dude, your audio trainer, your audio physique model. Do you know that stuff can wait, but this stuff will kill your business if you don’t figure it out.
So I would literally go there, just watch, consume a bunch of things. I was just downloading information in my brain about things I didn’t know about. So just like rehearsing sales calls sometimes like getting better at that stuff. Getting better at. Just enrolling people and the onboarding stuff. And every day there was like more work to do.
It felt like the more I did it, the more I like the more work I have to do. So, but it was good. Cause it, it was a challenge. It was, it was a new thing. It was a high, it was, it was exciting. Yeah. Is there one thing that you, as you, and, you know, to an extent you’re still going through some of the. Figuring those things out.
But from, from when you started to where you’re at now, when you talked about learning what a lead is and just these little terminologies things and these sort of processes, is there one thing that kind of stands out or looking back that kind of makes you laugh, that you didn’t know what it was and now you do?
Yeah, I think I just back then, I didn’t know what to focus on. Um, I, I would just get overwhelmed. I had the shiny object syndrome is so real, so. You everybody tells you to do this, start a YouTube channel. And finally, you got some traction on your LinkedIn, you know, and they’ll start that cause that’s better.
Or, you know, get on tech talk cause that’s better. But at the end of the day, like I needed to just focus on one thing and do it really well. So for me, like I think instead of that one word answer is probably yes. I learned to focus. I learned to just do one or two things really well and then go off of it because my brain gets easily overwhelmed and I’m just like, oh shit, no, no, let’s not.
So now I say no to a lot of things. Um, I say, no, Like I had a podcast last year and I just couldn’t do both the time do it. And I was just like, okay, like, I’m going to put this on pause. So I paused it and, uh, and then I’ll go back to it, you know, in the next year or so. And then everything else is on autopilot, but as an entrepreneur, you’re managing your own self.
So it’s like, you gotta be ruthless. Yeah. Yeah, I think no, super powerful. A lot of, a lot of listeners know that, but you have, until you get to that moment yourself and experience that yourself, where you realize the value in it, you’re going to keep tripping over yourself. I know a lot of people that just, you know, super successful, but they got like 10 freaking businesses and they’re miserable because they’re juggling so many things.
And I couldn’t tell you the last time that I’ve have had a conversation with, with any of those friends that are doing many successful things. That they say, I wish I did it your way, Damon and just was just the SEO guy, just the one guy in the one thing. And so I think that that’s a huge w w w we can talk about that all day, but I think that people have to kind of hit that wall themselves before they really appreciate and go.
Okay. Yeah. Like, you know, you probably had to hit a wall to go, okay. I need to pause the podcast. Just like when you, when you find yourself. You know, just feeling distracted when you find yourself month after month, if you find yourself hustling, but month after month, your financial results aren’t showing or your business is not growing or your something that you want isn’t happening is probably because you’re not as focused on that exact thing as much as you should be.
So like for me, If I, if, you know, like, let’s say like I’m overly committed and it’s just to my social life, for example, and their birthday parties and blah, blah, blah. And I’m just like every night I’m going out. Yeah. At the end of the month, the numbers for business are going to suffer because then Mo is not valid, rested something’s up.
So now I got to start saying no, a lot more often, because I’m focused on that one thing that matters the most. Right. So it’s just, yeah, like, I mean, I think entrepreneur. Education. If I, if I had a university teaching entrepreneurship, the first full year will be spent on this, like, Hey, like learn to just focus.
Um, and it sounds like a cliche thing to do, but it’s like, Hey, like be boring. Do the boring work. Like sit down, sit down and just be like, all right, today, I’m just going to do these three things. Like last night before bed, I wrote down the three things I have to do today. And it’s like, those things are like literally super clear.
And it was just like working out. I already have the plan laid out. It just doesn’t take anything. I look at the plan and I just do so, like I have to film a webinars video today and literally the script is already, I’ve already written it. So all I gotta do today is turn the camera on and just like go through it.
So like, but if I left it on total unknown and I’m like, I think I’m going to do a webinar today. All of a sudden my brain is. All of these other things. Yeah. Like all the missing steps and you and your head think that you’re a bad person for not focusing, but in reality, you did not set yourself up for that.
So like same thing for working out, you know, let’s say like you slept in today and then you don’t have a outfit picked out. You don’t know what workout you’re going to do so many unknowns, but all, you know, you’re still going to work out. All of a sudden your brain will think of 10 reasons why not to do it.
I I’m sitting here kind of granting a little bit, because like I knew that you were, you know, super legit on your, your sleep pattern. So Mo and I met up, um, like we were saying just the other day and we went out and had dinner and then we, we ran back to the hotel room to grab our masks or something and he’s like, all right, dude, take me home.
It was like, night’s done. Moe needs to get back to sleep. Like a lot of the time it’s it’s. It affects everything, affects everything else. So like, one of the things I teach to my clients is like, Hey, systematize, everything literally like systematize your food. So sometimes your sleeps there’s some times your training.
If you can do that successfully, like I know every day, either a 5:00 AM or 6:00 AM. I’m going to be at the gym training. If I don’t do that, I’m not going to be, have the time later in the day to train. So, okay. That’s systematized. I can literally hand that piece of paper over to someone else and have them just schedule me, like I that’s how I think of it.
And then the second thing is. You should know what time you eat, right? So like, especially if you’re trying, if you have a goal. So like a lot of people, they come to me and they’re either getting married or they’re going on a vacation or this, they just want to be healthier. And that case, why are you leaving such a big part of your health up to chance, you know, systematize it and be like, okay, the first meal is at 12.
Second meal is at this time, like literally simple as things. But once you do that, you start gaining momentum. Because now there’s patterns there’s like, and you can modify certain things because you can not have too much certainty without getting bored. So like you want certain, um, so like for me, the sleep time is, is crucial.
And obviously, like I’m not, I’m human. I’m not perfect all the time, but it’s like, okay, No later than 10:00 PM. And you know, like 8:00 PM is like, when I shut off my phone a lot of the time and just doing that, it sets up my circadian rhythms in a way that I wake up at 4:00 AM or 5:00 AM and my body. And it, and it just feels good.
And I love waking up in the morning and stepping out of my balcony here in San Diego and seeing like, it looks pretty. So for me, it’s like just systematize things. The more you can automate and systematize for your own life, because it’s the same thing as the business, but this is your own body’s business.
So like the more you can automate. The higher chance that you will learn. Yeah. It’s amazing how simplistic, usually the, the things that make the biggest impact are. And a lot of time it really just boils down to just processes and, and it’s, it’s, um, you know, I’ve kind of you and I briefly talked to, I have like an autoimmune thing and I’ve talked about how, um, I’ve been like AB testing and trying to figure out a process for myself individually.
And so it’s good to hear that from, you know, a fitness expert saying basically the same thing can apply to the general audience that just figured out a pattern. Well, like let’s say like you find the 10 foods that you can eat right after the AB testing. The thing of it like this, instead of Damon going grocery shopping or your bike going grocery shopping, you can literally hand that list over to your.
And be like, Hey, um, I just want you to do this one thing. Whereas like every Sunday, I just want you to go grab these groceries. And like, if you can, like the way I look at it as systems is where it shouldn’t involve you. So like, for me, if my system involves me doing everything, it’s not really a system.
Like the way I design it is like, Mo is eats at this time, at this time. And at this time, and on certain days he has this one exception where he goes out and does that. But overall, like someone else can look at my system and be able to do exactly what I do. You know what I mean? So like for you, that’s something like that, like systematizing it.
So you don’t have to do the grocery shopping yourself, or, you know, I’ve told my wife that and she’s like, But I like getting out and going to the store. All right. You can go grab groceries.
I feel like going out grocery shopping. So it’s like, if you enjoy it, I just hate it. I just hate errands. I don’t, it doesn’t give me any juice, so I don’t do it, but a lot of people love it. I want to go back and touch on a couple of things before we wrap up. Um, when you were, when you were 16 year old Mo moving mountains.
Like, what were your, what were your parents doing during that time? Like, what was their daily routine? Like? Cause you talked about how, like, you know, there was the language barrier and so they didn’t really understand how much time you’re committing to doing your testing. So like what was running through their head?
Like what did they think mountain Moe was? Yeah, so they always had like all this new other studios. But they always had a certain picture in their head about me. They’re like, it’s going to become a doctor. He’s gonna, he’s gonna be that, you know, poster child. But at the same time, they, they were very innocent, so they didn’t know any better.
So for them that at that time worked at a factory and, and mom at that time actually worked at McDonald’s. So, I mean, this is like immigrant light. I mean, yeah. You don’t have much money, but at the same time, my parents are, have always been they’ve set a really good example of like hard work, but also how to value money.
So like, I’ve never been like a lavish spender. I’ve never been the type that just makes money and spends it all because my parents were never that. So like, even with their limited income, they have never been in debt. Even with their limited income. They’ve never put financial trouble on their us as kids.
So that’s just inspiring. So my parents had, I think they were supporting me like my dad, like in high school. 16 years old. I was like part of like seven clubs. And my dad, like I would have to miss the bus for after-school meetings and afterschool sports. And my dad would be waiting in the cold Michigan, February weather in the car, waiting for me to like pick me up and, and sometimes.
That meant him taking a little nap in the car. Cause he’s tired from it. So like my parents did everything they could and, and I think, but the best part, I think the best part was I was the one that took initiative. So it wasn’t my parents making me do anything. It was me being like dad, I’m part of this club and we’re meeting tomorrow.
Can you come pick me up? And it was, that’s all I told my parents and their head, they trusted me enough to where they’re trusting me to find my path. Right. So. We’re not going to tell you about clubs to join, because I feel like some of my American friends, their parents were too in their business. They were too micromanaging, their kids and the kids didn’t have the freedom.
So it’s like, okay, like, and this is something else I noticed when I was in corporate America because I have older coworkers. So like, I’ll be talking to know. So my colleague let’s call her, you know, Katie and Katie is a mom of two sons and Katie’s husband and Jack used to play football in high school.
So now Jack is telling him you’ll be a football player, you’ll be a football player. And it’s like, I just looked at it as limiting and restricting. Cause then you’re pushing your shit on your kids. And I luckily never had that because I was the one writing my own pack or the support. Yeah. I think that’s huge.
Um, and that’s a conversation, my wife and I have had about our kids that, uh, you know, we’ll expose them to a lot, but then let them pick what they like and don’t like, and then we’ll just support them from there. Yeah. And it’s tough to do for some people, but yeah. Yeah. Um, at what point did you decide you were in, you know, you talked about not being a lavish spender.
But you also had a comfortable corporate job. At what point did you decide you were in a good enough spot to quit the corporate job? Like, was there a deciding factor that made you feel more comfortable to pull the trigger numbers, numbers, numbers, and intuition. So, yeah, like it was my business mastery.
Jobs income back in November. Um, so like that was the first month when the jobs income was matching the business income, even though I was working part-time in my business and full-time on my job. And then I was like, okay, there’s something here. Like something is happening. And this is after. Exactly two years on one month, two years, and one month of doing both.
And, uh, so business matches jobs, income. I’m like, okay, this is looking good. I felt super proud of myself. Like, okay, let’s keep it going. So every month it was fully starting to increase and then COVID hit and in March business took a little hit and I was like, okay, cool. We’ll we’ll, we’ll keep the job.
We’ll keep. And it was to a point and it was to a point where yeah. I was getting so comfortable doing both. I had gotten so good at just keeping at a side hustle while having a full-time job. I was, it became my new comfort zone in all honesty. And I think, and I was starting to see my friends who started with me two and a half or three years ago at that point.
And their businesses were taking off. They were going places. Their impact was greater than mine. And I was like, all of that is happening because of the job. And then I would, you know, a lot of us can, we are the easiest person to fool. We can easily fool ourselves. So in my head that the counterintuitive Todd at that point was, well, the job doesn’t really take up that much time and feel good at it.
I literally doesn’t, but turns out it was taking away my most precious energy every day. And then something is doing that. You’re not going to scale a business. You just won’t be able to. I promise you that. And uh, for me it was just like, okay, And then, then June came. I was starting to see an uphill increase in the business.
So I’m like, okay, this is looking good. July happened now. I’m still at full-time corporate. Yeah. And at this point, the thing I loved most about my job was the travel and we couldn’t travel anymore until next year. So like, we haven’t traveled for four months. We were just working at home all day and I’m just like, why am I doing this?
And it was, I was around people that weren’t that inspiring all the time, you know, like, Most of my colleagues were careerists. I mean, these are people that is their end of the job they’ll end their career, you know, and, and I hated that. I was just like, dude, I’m young and full of energy. And when my colleagues go home, they drink beer.
When I go home, I read books were very different priorities. Yeah. And, um, so like for me, I was looking at the numbers and then that like the second week of July, I took some time off from work. I took four days off and that week business made more in a week than I do in a month at my job. So I was like, holy shit, God just told you something like, it’s time to walk away.
I know it’s hard. I know you don’t want to do it. And I know like, you’re a good guy, but. You always, for me, I couldn’t do that much. I couldn’t give my job the attention it deserved anymore. And, and the way that I did it, I, a lot of your people are probably like service-based people. So for me, the way that I did it, I was like, I told myself, I’m like, Hey dude, like when you were 22, then you were just getting out of college.
This was your dream. And now four years later, three years later, it’s not your dream job. So you owe it, you owe it to someone else, graduating college right now for whom this is their dream job. And you can’t do justice to it anymore because you have a full-time business. And then I kept thinking about that kid.
I was like, he, or she really wants my job. All right, I’m going to resign. I’m going to give it to them. They want it more than I do. And, and yeah, man, I wrote the resignation letter I had. There’s all kinds of emotions going through my head. I was so scared. My heart was beating. I did not really talk to many people about it.
Didn’t even tell my parents until after I’d already done it. Um, and then I told my boss, she called me like right away. She’s like, Mo, are you sure we can still call, like, take this back. I really thought this through, like, this is time. And then I got like 250. Positive messages from almost everybody I’ve worked with over 3m and, and the hospitals that we used to work with.
Like they’re still really good friends. Most people that have become my clients at times, or they have book or on Instagram or we’re still in touch. And it was just like the happiest love letter, goodbye to corporate America. And then after that, man business took a whole different turn. Before the priority was to met the job’s income.
Now the priority became how many people can I help? And it was just like a different mission. It was a different necessity. It was just Mo Ghias. Cause it used to happen where I had identity crisis crisis. So I would travel and I would sit next to someone at the plane and they would ask me. And the first answer that would come out of my mouth used to be engineer, and then it would be corporate healthcare consultant or whatever dolphin specialist.
And then I used to literally like train myself to say, I’m an online fitness coach and it used to take work and they do. Whenever someone asks your answer should be at you’re an online fitness coach. Goddammit. None of the other stuff. But then dude, when I went full time on my business, it required nor revision all the answers here.
I’m a goddamn fitness coach. This is what I do. And it was just everything changed when that happens. Did you get any of, um, did you catch any of your old, uh, corporate. Contacts by surprise because you, you joke that now you get paid to post half naked selfies on social media. So did you, did you ever get anybody from your old crowd that just like had no idea that was your world?
And they’re like, what the hell is Moe doing now? Kind of had a heads up. It was one time in New York city. We’re there for work and I’m working with this really big hospital there. And then I go home and I see on Lincoln. And it says that someone from that hospital looked you up on LinkedIn. And, um, and then on Instagram, someone is watching my Instagram stories and these are two different lives.
One is a fitness trainer and one is, um, like healthcare world. And it used to feel really icky to me. I used to block people. I’m like, Hey, I don’t want you seeing this part of my life. Yeah. But people were surprised. They’re like, how, why would someone who has a college degree and someone that is this educated and someone that.
Has the status that we all want. Why did he quit? And what a lot of people don’t realize is that. Entrepreneurs, we aren’t wired like that. Our whole thing is impact and, and, you know, financial freedom. And then the big thinking, whereas their whole thing is security and longevity and just different things.
Like, it’s just very different things. So for me, like I’m getting over it, but there’s still some times, and then I get hit up and they’re like, wow, but why mobile? Why? Like, why.
Have you seen the impact I’ve created in the last three months? It’s hard to tell people that they, some people just don’t get it and I’m okay with them not getting it. Yeah. So, yeah. It’s like you said, people are wired different. Some people can’t, you can’t fault them. It’s just truly, they don’t see it.
So. All right. Well, I appreciate your time. I want to give you a last few moments to tell our listeners how they can find about, find out more about. Yeah, man. Lovely. Um, yeah, you can go to MoeGhias.com. So it’s M O E G H I a S. And yeah, on Instagram, Facebook, literally just MoeGhias M E G H I a S just look me out, shoot me a message that you listen to this podcast.
It’s all those good to see the feedback and see like what podcasts friend has, like people that actually ended up reaching out. Yeah. There’s a lot of things when we do these podcasts, it’s like, you don’t know. Yeah, I’ve had, ’em all, I’ll share a story with you after we wrap up, but you get, um, you, you get some cool messages like it, like you said, you don’t know when, but maybe once a week, maybe once a month, but when you get it, it’s like super powerful when they send you these little messages a hundred percent.
And thank you for having me guys learning from others. Thanks everybody.