Jerome Myers: You Don’t Need a Job, You Need an Income Stream

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I think I’ve ever sang on an intro before Jerome. Welcome to learning from others. How are you doing amazing, David? Thanks for, ah, dude. Um, good to chat with you. So we’ll jump into how we know each other, but not until I asked the usual two questions. Question number one is who are you? Why we’re listening to you today?

What are we gonna learn about? We’re going to learn about all kinds of stuff, but hopefully we’ll talk most about the red pill, man. I really believe that a lot of people are living lives that they’re not super excited about. And it’s my mission to help people live their lives all alone. If we’ll allow, I like it.

I like it. Okay. We’re going to pause on the red pill and ask you question. Number two is what do you suck at Jerome? I suck out watching people suffer. I just know that people can have so much more and they accept it live in less when they want to have surface conversations, because they don’t want to talk about the things that are most important to them.

I just zone out and disappear. It’s it’s bad. I can feel you there. Do you, um, do you. Do you want? Okay. So the problem that I have in that circumstances is like, you, I’m a big helper. Like I want to help people, but the, but where I hit the roadblock is, is kind of like you touched on is like, why don’t you do something about it?

And so I have like a, I have to have an audience that wants to run with it. And if they’re not willing, like they can admit there’s opportunities or things suck, or they wish they’re in a better place. That’s totally cool that human element, but when they don’t do anything about it, that’s when I’m like, okay, I can’t help you.

And I just like check out, is that what you’re talking about? Yeah. I probably checked out a little bit before that because I realized that everything is a choice. And so when people tell me that they can’t do anything as if they don’t have any choices, that’s when they lose me. Yeah. Whether it’s going to work today or getting out of bed tomorrow, like.

Everything is a choice and you’re whether you’re doing it consciously or unconsciously, you’re making that choice. And I think we get programmed pretty quickly to do certain things. And so we just assume that we have to continue to do them, but the one thing that makes us a human is we don’t have to react.

We can respond. And the difference is making a conscious decision when you’re responding to do this or that. Why do you think. So many people don’t acknowledge that because I get it. I agree in my mind, it’s just like, well, if something sucks, fix it. If you want to be at a different level start, I guess just go like the answer is just go and in it took me a long time to realize that’s not normal.

W why is that not normal? Why philosopher? Jerome? Why is that not normal? So this is struck with a matrix for I, so we’re programmed to make everybody else’s life easier. That’s responsible for handling us. So as kids, right? We teach our kids to do. Things that we want them to do so we don’t have to manage it.

Great example, Christmas elf on the shelf. So the emphasis on the shelf, it watches the kid. It flies back to the North pole to report the Santa, whether or not the kid did the things they were supposed to. I hate that stuff, but you’re doing it. Whatever parents doing it, not for the lore of their magic of Christmas, but to get the kids to do what you want them to do.

And I think it’s manipulation. And you can talk about the span of thoughts. You could talk about the two ferry. You can talk about the Easter bunny. You could talk about all of these things that we make up as these mystical and magical creatures in order to encourage, influence the kids to do the thing.

It doesn’t stop just there though. Right? We get older and there’s more and more of this stuff. And so some parents will be like, Oh, just let them be kids. But. I think the best gift that you can give the kid is the truth. And once they learn that they can live in the truth and that they actually have a choice, then they can go out and be dynamic adults.

Yeah. You know, um, I had a couple of comments on this, the elf on the shelf. I’m right there with you. I hate that thing. I’ve we’ve never done it because right out the Gates, I didn’t necessarily. Let’s say no because of, you know, the manipulative reasons. I said, no, because that’s another responsibility. I don’t want to put that thing up every night.

I don’t want to have to figure out something else to do. I got, you know, and I see my friends posts online and they’re like, Oh, the elf on the shelf did this. Like. Good for them and the commitment they got to put in to thinking of more shit for that elf to do Holy crap. I’m not even going to touch it. So, but you know, you bring up a good point.

The, um, got the Christmas thing. We, so I have a ten-year-old and we told them about Santa Claus this year and I was going to, I was talking to my wife and I said, I, you know, we should. Probably a year or two ago, for sure. At least a year, maybe two years ago. I said, I think he’s old enough. We should tell him because where I finally got my wife on board, because she didn’t want to give up the magical illness of the moment and this and that.

And I said, look, he’s gonna find out sooner or later. And it’s probably like tomorrow and as, and he can either find out from his friends. And lose trust in us or believe some other crap or have some weird take on it, or we can tell them we can grow the trust with, with us and we can position it in a way that it’s still magical.

So what we did is we said, Hey, do you want to know? Is Santa real or not? And he’s like, yeah. And so it was just cute conversation where like, what do you think? And he’s like, Tiny S kinda now. And you know, one part that was funny was, um, Jerome, I think you’re familiar. I have like an autoimmune condition and so I’m not supposed to eat like certain things and he goes, well, part of it, I think it’s fake is because you are the part of the reason why I think he’s real is because the cookies get a, every year and you can’t eat them.

So I thought his observation on that was pretty good, but what we ended up saying was look okay, the, the magic behind Christmas. His mom and dad. And now you’re part of that magic. Like you are now big enough that you can share that magic with others. So Sam, the theory of Santa is, is the magic and making others feel special.

He is not there, but the magic is. And so now you can be part of that. So now we had this great transition where he knows what’s real and what’s not now. And, but now it’s still special. And now he’s excited because he can help little brother and little sister, and then like a day or two later, he comes in and he says, dad, wait so sad.

It’s not real. Like what about the Easter bunny? What about all those other things? And I’m like, yeah. And he’s like, he gets excited because now he’s like, Um, big and now all this magic is on me and now I can make family and brother and sister feel good. So, yeah, it’s um, you know, I don’t have a takeaway necessarily from this or a question for you, but it was relevant because that’s a new thing that we just went through.

It just, this, this last Christmas. I, my response to that is kudos to you guys for being conscientious about the opportunity to deepen the relationship, right. And pulling back the veil and letting them in on the other side of the curtain. And I think that goes even further, right? So as adults, I think those who are able to Excel and achieve massive success, the behind the curtain.

And those who don’t are still sitting there thinking that the game is whatever was magically put in front of them on this is how it’s going to work out for you in the end, instead of them being told the truth. And, you know, as part of my mission to tell people the truth, now, whether they want to accept it.

And we were kind of going back and forth with this at the beginning, whether they want to accept that piece or not, it’s not on me to get them to accept it. But I am more than willing to share the information with them. Yeah. So why don’t we talk about the whole red pill matrix relation, you know, for, for the listeners that aren’t seeing anything on video he’s drums got the shirt that says I took the red pill and he’s touched on the red pill.

So what, what’s the whole red pill thing mean to you? Like how did that become a Jerome thing? Yeah. So for me, the red pill is. Most people get familiar with it from the matrix, but for us, it is our model for center life. And so there’s six levels. It starts with self image, goes through relationships, work, health, prosperity insignificance.

Right? And so we went up, let’s go back down. So significance is your ability to impact others in a positive way. We believe that only happen once you have prosperity or overflow and that. We want to do overflow because there’s a lot of people who try to take care of others before they’re ready and they end up, if you think about being on the plane, the stewardess always says, what’s your mask on first, right?

You can go try to take care of everybody else. But if you’re depleted, it’s really difficult to give to others, which you don’t have. Right. I mean, down to the next level of health, you want to have your health before you have her prosperity, because if you don’t your health, Rob, all your prosperity. Right.

And so we prioritize health before prosperity from prosperity. We go to work and so the bottom three work relationships, and self-image create all the stress in your life. And I’ve said it to a bunch of people and waiting for somebody to tell me I’m wrong, but we work inside out. So self image, how you relate with yourself, and that really just gets to, can you keep promises?

And you keep promises to yourself. If you, do you feel better about yourself? If you don’t, you feel worse and when you’re more accountable to yourself than anybody else, your whole life changes and that extends into your relationships. So what we asked people to do is look at your relationships. And usually we were talking to apex performance, people who are at the top level of whatever they’re doing and what happens with them more often than not.

It’s nobody’s coming to say, Hey, Damon, how are you doing? Are you okay? Do you need anything? They’re saying no, Damon, here’s the problem in my world. I want you to tell you about it so you can fix it for me. And what we really want is to have healthy relationships where it’s mutually beneficial, people are bringing things and people are taking things away.

And if you can’t reprioritize a rear focus, the relationship so that it happens in that way, then you end that relationship because we don’t have places for just withdrawals. And then the last piece there with the work, once you fix the way that you feel about yourself and the relationship that you have with people, it extends into your work and you’re attracting the right people.

And so your space so that you can do more of the things that are aligned with your state of values and goals. So I, I agree with all of that. And like I touched on it at the beginning, it took a while for me to realize those things are not normal. Like the majority of people don’t think about those things.

So have you always been aware of those or did you go through a growth process as well? Or you realize those later. So I probably, could I give you an example for each one? And so I’ll start with self-image and tight with relationship. So I always thought of myself as somebody others could count on, I wanted it to be reliable, dependable friend.

And then when I was in middle school, I was, it was eight grade actually. And my mom used to take me to high school football games. And we’re at where I talked to one of my teammates and it’s like, Hey, we’re going to go to the game tonight. I’ll call you and you can go with us. I didn’t call him that night.

He started drinking and the story goes that he played Russian roulette and he died that night. Wow. And so today I still carry with me this concept that, because I didn’t make that phone call, nobody lost their life. Now would it have happened anyway? Could he have done it after the game? All this other stuff.

Yeah. Apocalypse probably. But I think you get to decide when things happen, what they mean for you. And what it meant for me was because I didn’t keep my word, my friend wasn’t there anymore. And that was a really tough period for me. Right. So I, I learned that lesson at 13, that you’ve got to be impeccable with your word.

And if you’re in packable with your word or when you’re not impeccable with your word, bad things happen. And then as I moved through the other stuff, I, I learned about prosperity and the fact that it’s not just money, like when I was towards the end of my corporate career, I was making really good money.

I had a big old house and exotic car. I know you like cars too. And I was like, man, on the outside, looking in this looks amazing. But on the inside looking out, I was miserable. My relationships weren’t right. Um, I probably was the heaviest I’d ever been. And so my health wasn’t good and my work was okay, but I wasn’t doing something that I really felt was meaningful.

I wasn’t really impacting people’s lives in a way that I thought was like Nanjing or transformation. And so I had to figure something else out and I mean, this was like, Oh really, really dark period for me. And so I made a bunch of dramatic changes and today I experienced a level of freedom that I couldn’t have ever imagined when I have the job that I had, but I had to go through that in order to get to this place.

Cause I don’t think I would’ve appreciated it. I think for the people who live in like Southern California. You kind of pick the, the temperature and the sun for granted, right? Um, where 27 degrees a day. And we’ve got freezing rain here. When the sun comes out and a 60, we’re going to be pretty happy about it.

And so I think you have to have the full cycles actually fully appreciate the opportunities that are put in front of you. Yeah, there, there’s a lot of, a lot of things you touched on that, um, I think are valuable. I kind of like you saying, you have to go through it. I have a similar appreciation, like in the business world where the first couple of years, you know, first year and a half, I was a solopreneur years, two, three, four or five.

I just had three or four employees. And then I slowly. Grew. And a lot of times I’ll get asked, like, would you change anything different? And the answer is no, because sure. It would be nice to go from solopreneur to 30 employees quicker, but I would have, I wouldn’t have learned all those things in between to be able to.

To sustain that. And I think the same goes on a personal side. Like you can’t just jump ahead to quote unquote happy points in your life. If you didn’t go through the processes to be grateful for the downsides of it, because then it won’t be sustainable. You can only artificially tell yourself that I appreciate the sunshine for so long until you have the 27 degree weather to make you really, truly appreciate it.

On the other side. Yeah, I, it amplifies it on so many different levels and, you know, I guess the last thing I’ll say is it’s never as bad as it seems, but it’s also never as good as you might think it is as well. And so being able to ride the wave and this became most clear to me when. My daughter, my oldest daughter was like, I don’t, I had to be like 18 months and you would see these emotional rollercoasters.

The kids can go from like the world is any screaming at the top of, to the lungs, just smiling and laughing and like two seconds. And the fact of the matter that they’re willing to experience the full range of emotions made it clear to me that you can’t just numb a piece of it. Like if you’re always mellow, then you’re never going to be super excited.

And, but it also means you’ll never be really sad. And I think as adults, we just try to numb life so that it’s super steady state, but I think the reels and the excitement are extremely important. And when you cut the peaks off, you end up in a space where life isn’t really all that enjoyable. I’ve noticed that a big difference in people at different levels of success is their willingness to acknowledge that emotions are normal and to not, and on that right.

To be like today sucks, but that’s okay. Like something happened to make it suck. And I’m going to give myself the freedom to process that suckiness. And then you end up, you know, if you numb it, You may think you feel better in the moment, but you’re going to be numbing it for weeks instead of just embracing the suck for 24 to 48 hours and then you’re done.

Yeah. And so I, I even offer a point there, Damon, and I think it goes something like this. You don’t have a bad day, you have a thing that happens and you let that extend throughout your day. For instance, a few weeks ago I was running and I woke up there was snow on the ground. And then I looked in the temperature was above freezing.

So the sidewalk wasn’t frozen. So I decided to go running on my run. I get a phone call from a relative. I was in the process of selling the house and she said, Hey, it’s going to, we need to push back closing two weeks. And I was like, man, that’s a long time. I hope nothing happens in the interim. And so I could have, at that point, decided that.

My day sucked because I got news that I didn’t want to hear the conditions for going out and running six miles was an ideal, but I decided that, Hey, those things happen. And then I moved on to the next thing, right? I think back to the choices conversation, we get to decide whatever happens, what it means for us.

And as long as you decide it’s happening for you instead of to you. Thank you out up in a spot where you can adjust and pivot and focus your attention on the next thing at hand that you need to conquer and overcome. Yeah. I want to go back to you talking about being impeccable with your word. Uh, I think in addition to that, the step right before that is setting expectations.

So setting expectations to then be impeccable with your word upon those expectations. And that’s one thing that, um, Amazes me, not even just in the business world, even on a friendship level. Um, you know, I have, uh, I have some good friends that we, we went out the other day and we had, um, So they, they said, Hey, send us some of the pictures from the evening that you got and we’ll send you some of ours.

So I sent him the pictures and then I said, cool, do the same. And I didn’t get the pictures, whatever. And so then I, I was over their house a couple days later and I said, Hey, can you still send me the pictures? Yeah, yeah. I’ll send them fricking nothing. Like, and then it, then it becomes silly because now I don’t want to be like a weirdo saying, Hey, for the 80th time, can you send me pictures?

So I’ll drop it. But at the core of it, It amazes me just even how simple that is. So then when you magnify that into the, you know, deeper relationships and setting expectations or the business world, and just letting those small things slip those small things are the huge things. Like those are what become the huge things, or they, they create the fractures that will cause the bigger gaps for the huge things to fall through later.

So. I guess I’m just acknowledging that. Or maybe you can elaborate on the fact that I think setting expectations is something so simple, but is so valuable to any relationship business or personal. Yes. I agree with you 3000%. And I think the follow through is the biggest difference, right? Things will go wrong, but how you handle the things when they go wrong is what.

Actually transformed the relationship because it’s where you build trust. If you’re in a space where everything always goes, right, you have no idea what is going to happen when there’s conflict. And if you are in trouble with another human being, at some point, there’s going to be some form of conflict.

It’s going to be some friction. There’s going to be some rub because if not, then you’re always going in the same direction. And there is no diversity of thought. There is no growth. There is no expansion, right? So I agree with you, man. Now, the awkwardness of saying, Hey, you’re not keeping your commitment that you made because they agreed to do it.

I don’t know if that’s your awkwardness to have or not. I think you should be willing to get from people what they say they’re going to give to you. And this goes to business, right? I think we’re both business owners. And if you promise something to your client following through is the most important thing.

And. I think what I’ve seen most frequently with people when we’re talking about relationships is the people who they’re closest to. They treat those relationships with the least amount of respect, and then they don’t follow through. They expect the most grace and they’re the least accountable. And I think that’s backwards statement.

I think that those are the relationships you should put the most effort into because they are the ones that in concept you say matter most because you’re spending more time there. That’s not common though. Back to the point that you keep bringing up this, it’s just a totally different way of thinking.

And I know for a fact like you prioritize your family, right? And you, you, you spend your time in a way that shows that you prioritize your family. Instead of working all types of crazy hours like you did early on, you made the adjustment, but you positioned your life so that you could live that way. So, you know, and it just kudos to you for living out the values, because I don’t think a lot of people are authentic in that way.

They say one thing and do something other. And if the two don’t align, you end up with people being really frustrated. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that. And I think it goes back to just what you said a while back that it’s just accountability and being honest with yourself, um, and just being willing to follow through with yourself, like all the things we’ve talked about, but just within your own personal relationship with yourself, having that accountability and transparency and setting expectations, um, you talked on your, about your morning run and the a real estate deal.

So let’s, let’s talk about that. Like real estate is your jam, right? So why don’t we talk a little bit about what you do and how you let’s kind of come full circle and bring together the, the new topic of real estate with everything we’ve talked about so far in helping others? Can you marry those two?

Yeah, I think I can. So me and my buddy dieron sophomore year of high school or college were sitting on a stoop and we’re doing the half. I was spending three 95, had two roommates doing the same thing, and he had that exact same situation happening downstairs. When we looked around a complex, it guy was making $700,000 a year, but we never saw him.

We never talked to him. And the question was, how do you do something like that? How do you get people to send you money without you having to show up? Or because that would lead the time freedom, which we thought would lead to an amazing life. Now I’m the son of a soldier and a stay at home mom. So that wasn’t happening in my house.

Right? People weren’t coming over to talk about those types of conversations. I. Studying engineering at the time, but I didn’t even know what an engineer was until maybe two or three years before that. And if I back it all the way up, Damon, I wanted to be a trash man. Right. And I want to be attracted by it because of the freedom.

But the other piece of being a trash man was when the trash truck would come around, the corner, Lani would be hanging off the back. And when he got to the house, he would hop off. He would lift the top off. It would spin in a circle like a quarter when he falls, he grabbed it, he spin around and he’s dumped the trash in he’d slide.

The, um, he spin it back, he’d spin it back to the curve. Then he grabbed the lever and that would go nuts. Cause you know, what was going to happen next? He was going to crush the trash. Right. And I looked at my mom and I told her as a mom, I want to be a trash man. And she looked at me and she said, baby, That’s not going to afford you, the lifestyle you want to live.

And I said, but Lonnie gets to play with his kids every day. He’s home off work when the kids get home from school. And she said, yeah, but it’s not going to pay you the amount of money that you need in order to buy the Nike’s and other stuff you want it. And so it was there that I had the split, right. I wanted the time freedom I wanted to do this thing that I thought was cool, but I also knew that we had.

I think I’m problem that everybody’s trying to solve in some way, shape or form. And so you marry all that together. And basically she told me I needed a job. What I wish you would have told me is I needed an income stream. And I think you figured this out with your business model and the subscriptions that go in it.

And so I go through corporate America, go through all the training, build a pretty big business for a division of a fortune five 50. And then when I leave corporate, I say, I’m going to go get this dream off the shelf from college. And we’re going to figure out how to buy apartments. And so we buy apartment buildings, we teach other people how to do it.

And it was a way for us to find the time and location freedom because our residents are on a subscription, right. They pay their rent lawfully, and we’re able to take income off of that. And we have a manager to. Manage all of those residents in the properties. And then we spend time with the manager on a weekly basis talking about the things that they can’t handle with in the confines of our contract.

And so that’s our game and we help other people figure out how to do it. But what we’ve learned is the red pill is super important because that income piece is the prosperity. Right. And so that’s level five in the red pill, right? Self-image relationships work. Health prosperity and significance. It’s level five.

If people try to do level five before they do the first four levels, they have a mess. And so when we’re working with people, we want to make sure that they get those first four levels. Right. So that when they add on the pressure of what we consider for most, all intensive purposes, multimillion dollar businesses, when you buy them, they don’t get crushed.

Yeah. I want, I want to go back to the, you talking about the freedom of a trash man, and I think you kind of touched on it. What was the freedom? Was it the fact that he had fixed hours? So you had that freedom after those fixed hours? I think the freedom was just the contrast that I saw from my home. So my dad worked Carolina half day, see, leave before six and come back after six, right.

Half the day, right? Oh, what are those called Carolina? Half days is that you called it so you pick which half of the day you want to work, what you’re going to work half. And so, you know, he, he wasn’t playing catch with me almost days, especially in the winter months, because it was dark before he got home.

And so that was reserved for the weekends. My thought process was well he’s available at the same time the kids are available versus my dad’s available on the weekends and we can hang out sometimes in the summer. Does that make sense? So it was the fact that he was at home. The able to play. Cause I mean, for a kid and even with my two girls, like when I asked them what they want to do, they want to play like that’s top priority.

It’s not earn money. It’s not solve problems. This play. Now they learn a ton through the play. And so that’s what I wanted. I wanted more of my desk time. It was, I wanted him to be available when I was available. Yeah. W, and then I want to also touch on you talking about your mom, you know, politely saying that you shouldn’t maybe reconsider being a trash man, because that really hits home with me because like my kids, you know, they’re three, six and 10.

And when they talk. So mostly my six and 10 year old, both boys, when they talk it’s like, and this is them talking between themselves because I don’t really go and say what you guys would want to be when you’re, they’re too young to ask that question. And so when they bring that up on their own and I’m listening in, it’s usually something like.

Uh, I want to work at Walmart because I’d get all the, I could get like discounts on the toys and then the other one comes and he’s like, yeah, but Target’s cleaner. We should work at target because they’re more organized with their toys and you know what I’m like, fuck yeah, you guys go work at target. Do whatever the hell it makes you happy.

I don’t care. And so like for me, I, for me, I don’t, I don’t say no. Don’t be the trash man for a couple of reasons. One, because I want them. To do whatever makes them happy. Do I want them to be successful? Of course, but I’d rather them be happy and hopefully they can be happy and successful, but then also it’s like, they’re too young to like, I can’t make a statement on do or don’t do this.

Do or don’t do well work at target do or don’t work as a trash man, because it’s going to change by the time they get old enough to make that actual decision. So like how, how old were you when, when you and your mom had that discussion? Five. Yeah. So I imagine, I mean, here you are now, like, clearly you still remember it.

So was that w w what did, how did five-year-old Jerome process that when she’s like, maybe not be, maybe not be a trash man? I mean, so she was my best friend. She was my confidant. She was everything. I was like, Oh, I’ve got this thing messed up. And. I’ve got to figure it out. And literally if I connect the dots, right, it goes to, it goes from five to 17, maybe 17 and a half.

And I’m talking to professor Ayres, my physics teacher. And I said, Hey, I want to either solve problems with people or solve problems with math and science. And he said, what was wrong? One is psychology. And one is engineering. Hmm. Well, which one do you think I’ll be better at? He said, you’ll be fine at both, but they pay very different.

One’s going to pay you probably twice as much as the other one. And so, you know which one I picked, right? Because of that conversation at five. And so you’re planting the seeds all along the way, and you never know when the person’s going to come back and pick them up and say, Oh, well, it’s time to harvest that.

And then it changed the whole trajectory. I mean, And it’s funny because now I’m fighting back to the psychology thing with our coaching stuff. But the fact of the matter is, you know, I think once you ex you are aware of the issue, then you can solve for it. And so I’m super grateful that she brought it up because she’s right, you know, making seven to $10 an hour or $15 an hour was not going on for me, the lifestyle that I wanted to live.

And when I think about the prosperity bucket and then being able to give significance, for instance, we, we have a endowed scholarship at a university that’s got almost $300,000 in it and it pays for a full engineering student. Right. And that. I couldn’t have done that if I would have want to become a freshman and be like, there’s certain impacts that we wanted to have.

And like at my Alma mater, like we have the ambition to be the single largest private donor that has ever come through the school. I can’t do that when I’m solving the problems of, um, stone bodies waste leaving their house once a week. And I just, as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, The belief really is, what problem are you solving?

And how big is that problem? If the problem is big enough, then you get rewarded really well financially. And so if I bring it all full circle and come back to my mom, I think my mom’s guidance was amazing. The only thing that I wish would have been different is she said, Hey, you don’t need a job. You need an income stream, and then it would have opened.

The can of worms to all the other stuff. Uh, when I, instead of going into corporate America, maybe I could have started a business in that business. Could have still been running it. I could’ve put a manager in it instead of me building a $20 million business or somebody else paid however many, six figures and then leaving it and getting no residuals off of it.

I mean, like that first year we make $6 million in profit. Like that’s life changing for everybody, but because it wasn’t mine, I don’t get to keep any of that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I want to come, come back and maybe wrap up on this last topic. I’m glad you brought it back up again about helping others. Um, earlier you gave you an allergy of being on an airplane and you know, you’re supposed to your mass first, and I think that’s super valuable for people to understand too, because I have, I have some very specific people in mind that are friends and family, that they’re the nicest people in the world they’ll do anything for anybody.

But they just get walked all over and inside. They are completely miserable. Like when you get to know them and who they really are, like, what they present is inside. They’re like, they’re born to be a happy person. That’s just part of their personality. And so they project that externally. But when you really know them, like those close people, you know, that internally they’re miserable and these people I have in mind, it’s a common denominator.

That they don’t take care of themselves first. And some people get it confused and I think you’ve done well at clarifying that they get it confused. Like, no, I need to help them. Yes. Help them. Once you are in a stable position that you can help them. There’s nothing wrong with taking care of yourself first, because like you said, you can’t give what you don’t have.

And so I just want to maybe wrap up with that topic of like, you gotta take care of yourself first. There’s nothing selfish about it. And in fact, that gives you the freedom to give at a greater level. If you take care of that first. Without question. And I remember thinking to myself, I don’t love myself at one point.

And I had a baby girl who I don’t even think she was six months at the time. I was like, how on earth can I possibly show her what love is and what it isn’t. If I don’t look in the mirror and feel great about who I am and care and love myself. So that put me in a really self-reflective place. Read a bunch of different books, did a bunch of reflection and writing and studying, and eventually came back out with kind of this Readville concept and a bunch of other things that we use in our coaching practice.

Drama. It’s been fun. I’m running down all these with you. I appreciate you being transparent, sharing some, some good stories. I want to give you the last few moments to tell our listeners how they can find out more about you, either your coaching program. You know, I don’t know if you’ve got real estate bills that you help people out with.

Like I’ll give you the floor and, and tell people how they can find out more. Yeah, I think, well, your listeners, they can choose their own journey. If they go to Jeromemyers.com. And it’s M Y E R S on the backside of that instead of Emmy, Y E R S. People like to add those extra EAs. I never understood why, but, uh, yeah, if they go to Jerome Myers, that CEO, they can pick their own journey.

They can learn about real estate. They can learn about coaching. You can see some of our live events and all the other stuff that’s going on. Very cold drawn Myers, everybody. M Y E R S. Thanks so much, man. Thanks, Damon.