Dave Blum a.k.a Dr. Clue. Founder and President of Dr. Clue Treasure Hunts, the world’s largest team-building treasure hunt company, joins us today on Learning From Others. He’s been in business for 24 years and talks about team-building, following destiny, and surviving the Dot-com Burst as well as the 2008 Financial Crisis. Please welcome, Dave Blum.

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Hey, it’s Damon Burton from learning from others.com and today joining us from Santa Rosa, California, founder, and president of dr. Clue treasure hunts, the world’s largest team building treasure hunt company. Dave Blum Thanks for joining us today. Thanks man. Hey, so I’m really interested in this industry because when my team and I get together, I always like to do kind of unique things and what you offer a fall falls in line with that category.

So why don’t you tell our listeners exactly. What it is that you do and what kind of explore the sport, how you got into that world? Sure. Well, the first thing you have to ask yourself when you’re looking at this field is what is the difference between a treasure hunt and a scavenger hunt? Do you know actually.

Uh, huh. I can take a guess, but I’d probably be long winded, so I’ll let you do the honors and you should people say, well, treasure hunt must have a treasure and that’s a good guess. But actually the difference is that a scavenger hunt is what most people are familiar with. You get a laundry list of items to check off.

There’s nothing cryptic. There’s nothing. Particularly a difficult or challenging about it. You just have to execute the list. It could be find the following objects, put them in a bag, bring them back. It could be, get the following specific scavenger hunt, photos, whatever. And it’s just sort of a race against time.

A treasure hunt by contrast is involves the solving of clues that lead to specific mystery locations chosen by the treasure hunt master. So it’s very much a site specific activity where you are getting an irreverent walking tour while you’re doing the activity. You work together as a team, you solve these tricky clues, the secret message leads you to specific locations, which you have to then reach and do something.

So it’s a little bit like the DaVinci code, rat race Goonies in the sense that you try, if you solve the treasure hunt, masters, tricky puzzles, you’ll know exactly where to go. If you don’t. You’ll have no idea where to go. You’re stuck. Yeah. Now what’s, what’s extra cool about where you operate is you operate all over.

Um, so as we were talking offline and I, I, you had mentioned that you have locations in San Francisco, Chicago, a bunch of us locations, but then you’re even international London, Paris, Geneva, India, Dubai. Now, how do you, uh, how do you coordinate, uh, events and treasure hunts in such a diverse set of locations?

Well, the first thing of course is you have to get out there and create them, which is an interesting thing. And, uh, I’ve been lucky enough to create most of those 150 tries runs on our site over the last 24 years. And sometimes it’s because a client will say, Hey, we need a program and Dubai come out here and create it.

And so you actually go out and you spend a few days there and you scout it and write it and test it and then deliver it. Sometimes it would be that on a trip. I just on my own, I might say, well, okay. And take a day and I’m going to do some scouting and get that treasure hunt ready to go. And then I, you know, you put it on the website and a year later someone says, Hey, we want to do that hunt at the loop.

It’s like, fantastic. So first you have to get out there and create them. Uh, the second thing of course is you have to keep them up to date, which is quite challenging because what we’re using is, is, uh, public locations. Statues plaques, murals monuments, historic signs, juke boxes, time, capsules, everything that we can find in the area that the locals wouldn’t even think about or notice we use as treasure hunt locations, but things change.

So for example, if someone came to me to me and said, Hey, we want to do that hunt. Uh, I don’t know, in, uh, in London, Uh, I’d have to say. Okay, great. And I’d have to get somebody out there on foot to scout all the locations to make sure they’re still there and they haven’t been corrupted. So that’s always a challenge.

If we haven’t done a hunt within six months, we have to do a play test sometimes it’s it depends on the location. It could be every three months. Then of course we have to find facilitation. Uh, we have a staff of about 10 people around the U S so we can just send whoever is the closest person. So if you had a program in st.

Louis, we probably send somebody maybe from the East coast, maybe from the West coast, or we might actually have somebody in that city, which is great. Sometimes we’ll have a, our staff will sort of come on and then it’ll sort of contract. So like, if we’re not doing any programs in a, in Madrid, Right now, we’re not going to have a facilitator ready to go.

But if we start doing lots and lots of programs from Madrid, we’ll quickly, uh, train up a facilitator and then we’ll have that person station there until then we’ll fly out and do it. So it’s a combination of flying out there, training new people and, uh, somehow or another, we were able to accommodate.

Now, you know, a lot of our audience is entrepreneurs, business owners. And so. Kind of explain to our audience. Do you kind of have a common trend of the participants? Is it for company retreats and team building, um, you know, kind of break down who comes to you for these types of this, this type of service.

Well, it’s primarily a corporate clients. We do get our fair share of nonprofits and educational institutions. We don’t really do programs for social groups or private groups. That’s not our niche, but we’re primarily working with fortune 500 companies. The biggest companies, not the whole company, obviously just one department, uh, uh, one division.

Uh, we do it occasionally. It will be a small company. We’ll get a dental office that says, Hey, we’ve got. 30 people in the office and we want to do an annual retreat. Well, that’s terrific. You know, and it could be a law firm. It could be a summer associate program. There’s a lot of different things, but it’s usually some corporate group, a manager comes to us and says, either we do something.

Regularly. And we do something every quarter, every year, and we want to do something, uh, you know, we want to hire you to do the, our, our regular event, or it’s a meeting. We’re all going through Atlanta. And during the meeting, we want to have an opportunity, need to get to know the city and all to get to know each other because we’re coming from all over the country or all over the world.

And so it could be any number of those different scenarios. Now, it sounds like there’s exclusivities to you organizing these events versus let’s say a, you know, a local escape room that has reoccurring times. So how do, how do you coordinate this and you know, how many of these a year do you do? Well, uh, as I mentioned, we don’t really do public events.

That’s not a, again, not really our niche. I personally prefer to do a one client where they come to us and say, here are the, here’s the people, here’s the demographics. This is what we’re looking for. This is our goal. There’s one paycheck, which is nice as opposed to a whole bunch of different people. And you don’t have to deal with registration.

So we do like to have those, those social groups and, uh, it very varies. Uh, we’ve had some years where we’ve done. 30 programs in a year. We’ve had some years where we’ve done 75 or 80, so it just goes up and down depending on what’s going on, but it certainly is up to the client in terms of the schedule.

So it’s not like, yeah, I can’t guarantee as a, as a, uh, escape room that I know I’m going to have, you know, Six every day and you know, 30 a week or whatever, it’s, it’s more, it’s more like sometimes we do one a week. Sometimes we do three a week. It just is, it completely varies. And it’s also very cyclical.

Uh, we do a lot of programs, uh, in October, November where the weather is pretty good and there’s a lot of end of year budget that people need to spend. And, uh, we do a lot of programs in, uh, may, June, uh, Some months, you know, we’ll have some months where we do nothing. And then some months where it’s like, I can’t believe how many programs have come across our calendar.

You just never really know. So you try and as a small business owner, you try and plan ahead and, and, and manage your cashflow so that you can get through a few slow months. And then, uh, you can, all of a sudden have some massively lucrative months. Yeah. Now you had mentioned fortune 500 companies. Um, and I think you had mentioned offline Oracle, Cisco T-Mobile bank of America, Apple Autodesk.

So some, some big company. Now, how did these, how did these companies find you? Is it word of mouth or, or what’s the marketing strategy behind this? Well, a lot of different things for sure. Uh, of course there’s a lot of word of mouth, a great number of people find this just by searching the internet. So we need to make sure that we are taking care of our SEL, uh, doing our social media so that people can find us through, you know, just through the back way.

Uh, we also are doing a little bit of advertising right now on, on Google ads. So we’re, uh, You know, putting the word out there as well, and you just really never know exactly how it comes up. A lot of it is coming through partnerships and you know, all entrepreneurs should be trying to find way to cross promote with, uh, even with, uh, your competition.

I actually, uh, uh, uh, constantly talking to escape rooms and saying, Hey, we have the same clients. Why don’t we cross promote? So there’s a lot of different ways that people come to us. And of course, there’s repeat customers. So when these companies come to you at first, these team building events, what are they actually paying for?

So you organize the event and then do they have, uh, somebody from your team that’s with them and available, or kind of walk us through what, what we get? Well, there’s a lot of options. Uh, There we have an indoor program, which we’re doing now. So if you D if you have a client that doesn’t want to spend the time to put people in buses and send them out to one of our are set locations and a park or a neighborhood or a museum, those are all those offsite locations we actually have.

We actually will come to the client and do something on site. In a room. So we can actually turn a room, not into an escape room, but we can turn a room into a little mini treasure hunt room for, for a couple hours. And so we have some clients that really like that. And then we have clients that say, Oh, well, we really would like to go offsite because that’s the whole point is to get out of our office and away from the phone and the stress, what the, uh, we also actually have also have a do it yourself, a virtual hunt where people just use a smartphone app.

And so we have a few clients that say, Hey, we don’t need a facilitator. As long as you get a set up on the app. Off we go. So, so, so it’s, it really varies. I’d say in general, mostly people are, are interested in the facilitation. No, they want to have icebreakers. They want to have some facilitation or the program starts to get people really prepped.

Then they want to do the actual treasure hunt, which is kind of an unstructured activity on a facilitated, I should say. And then afterwards the facilitators there to do a debrief, to read the answers, to do a closing activity or two, and to bring it all back together so they can relate it back to their business.

So I think that’s the most common and sometimes they use a smartphone app, sometimes they don’t, but I’d say that by and large, what they’re paying for is the materials. They experience the great treasure hunt clues and a, and a lot of facilitation that makes us fun and relevant. And that’s, I think that’s really the key.

Yeah. Now where this is a pretty niche kind of service. Um, uh, I’m curious to how you got into this world. So you, you did some teaching and then you work in tourism and, and then as you said, you discovered destiny to be a treasure hunt master. Uh, tell us how that all. Well, I had a pretty varied background.

I. Went to a Pomona college in Southern California with a, uh, English lit degree immediately wanted to have some adventure. So I got a chance to go to Japan and teach English, which I raced off and had an amazing experience. I was there for a couple of years and ended up going back again. So I was there for about three and a half years.

Uh, when I came back, I was working in tourism because I spoke Japanese. So I was working in that industry. Then I started working in nonprofits and different day jobs. And I wasn’t really finding my destiny. I wasn’t, hadn’t found the thing that floats my boat. And I sat down with a friend who was an entrepreneur and he said, why don’t you start your own business?

And I said that can’t possibly do that. You have any, uh, I don’t have any entrepreneurial background. I don’t know anything about bookkeeping, accounting, marketing, finance. Is there anything he said nobody does unless you’ve got an MBA. And even then he said, you just jump in. So I said, okay, well, I’ll consider it.

And I thought, what can I do? What can they do? And, uh, came up with some ideas that sounded very practical, but not very exciting. Cause I kind of feel like if you’re going to start a business, it should really be a passion. It should come from your heart so that you wake up every day, excited to do it and not something like, well, this is the thing I do and make a living.

Otherwise you might even work for someone else. So, what I did is I sat down and said, well, let’s try and figure out what are my favorite activities. And then see if I can build a business out of that, because it seemed like that was sensible. So I figured out well, Number one. I love to travel. I think I I’ve been to about 30 countries by the time I was 30.

It’s just, what I love to do and being in Japan was a great jump off point. I love working with people and with groups, I had done that as a teacher. I’ve been an RA in college. I was a tour leader and I love, always loved. Puzzles and games, you know, I, you know, game night was my favorite activity. Since I was a kid, I used to get together with my best friend, Mike, and we would play games after, uh, after school, pretty much every day love puzzles.

My dad used to submit crossword puzzles to the New York times. So I used to do those with him. So it was kind of, okay, what can I do with these three interests? Then I’ve got a about travel, working with groups. Puzzles and games. And a friend of mine said, didn’t you tell me, you once went on a treasure hunt activity and you really enjoyed it.

And I said, yeah, he said, well, why didn’t you do that? And they said, okay, but I wouldn’t want to just do it for the competition efficient aspect that I’m not so excited about people being cut throat and running around, trying to stab each other in the back. I’m really interested in what. What’s going on with my team and the dynamics and how you have this people who are disorganized and didn’t know each other.

And somehow in a short period of time, they got to know each other. They bonded, they came up with a plan. They somehow navigated conflict and they executed. And by the end of it, they had gone through something and they felt like they were old buddies for 20 years. I wanted to see if I could incorporate that into.

The activity I already knew I was going to enjoy creating. Uh, so I really wanted to be a team builder, treasure hunt. And then, uh, my friend convinced me, well, you know, walk the walk buddy. So I went out and I created one, uh, for, uh, for a group I was in a bike group and a response was great. And then I said, okay, well, I’ll.

I’ll try and create another one and another one. And then a certain point a, uh, charity asked me, I said, Hey, listen, can you do this for us charity, you know, pro bono. And they said, sure, went out. You know, at this point I’d done a few created it and then somebody on it, I said, Hey, that was really fun. Can you do it for my law firm?

And it’s like, that was my first opportunity for a paying gig. And, and after that I went and I got my business license and. 24 years later, I’m still doing it. It’s crazy. I was going to talk about that next, but how long you’ve been at that? Um, how, how long did it take you to scale this into your, you know, your full time income?

Well, I’ll be honest. A lot of there’s always the classic story of someone gets the idea and they’re doing it immediately. Uh, actually for me, it was about five years. Five years where I was doing a day job, I actually had a part time job and I had it very, uh, enlightened boss who. Said, Hey, you know, you can work on your thing, uh, when we’re not busy, uh, which was often, it was a very quiet job.

So I was, I had a day job, but I was also working on my business quite a bit, right there at work in the quiet times. And he also said, Hey, whenever you get a gig, just go off and do it. No problem. So it was kind of the perfect situation. So I did that about, for about five years, I got a website up, of course, this was back in 1995.

So websites were still a little bit. Uh, different. And of course, what was nice about it back then? So since not everybody had a website, I, when you put up one, all of a sudden you looked big. All of a sudden you look this fabulous, you know, all of a sudden you look like you are national and internet national, which was fantastic.

And I remember the first day that I got a. Requests from a big company. It was from Oracle and I’m like screaming to my girlfriend. Oh my God. Well just requested a proposal. I can’t believe it. Uh, so it took about five years before I realized that I was missing a lot of work. Cause I was going off and doing these programs and I was starting to get requests.

From outside of my area. I remember I got, my first one was for Baltimore and I was like, really, you’re going to fly me to Baltimore. Of course, this also dovetailed with the.com boom, you know, right around the turn of the century, turn of the millennium 2000. And so at that time, there were a lot of companies who had so much money.

They didn’t know what to do with it. And they were recruiting like crazy. And so they needed, uh, my program as part of the recruiting drive. And so in 2000 I said, Okay. I I’m doing this. I’m quitting my job. And, uh, I, I started doing it at that point, but it took me about five years and I, I recommend to fellow entrepreneurs.

If you can get proof of concept before you go all in, before you jump off and say, I’m going to make this work, uh, make sure that it, that it’s really going to work and that it looks like it has legs. Yeah, it’s always a little, little bit of a leap of faith. Now you mentioned the two thousand.com bust and then you’d also touched on offline about the 2008 recession, how you’ve been at this for 24 years and kind of rode through all these tough times.

Now, do you have any advice for our entrepreneur listeners about staying afloat and kind of during rough times? Cause I imagine the industry you’re in is. Is largely tied to disposable income. And so, so, you know, that could be, that’s usually one of the first things girls, when, when there are tough economic times, Well, I’m not sure that I did it the right way.

Honestly, uh, I had a line of credit and I was advised don’t stop advertising. Don’t stop doing what you’re doing. So I kept on doing it and I had the line of credit, which allowed me to keep advertising. Then I got into a little bit of debt because the line of credit maxed out and I’m still paying that off, but it did buy me time.

I will say that it bought me enough time. So that. That eventually when things started to stabilize, I was still in business because it would have been easy at that. If I didn’t have the cashflow, I would have gone out of business for sure. Uh, I, I will say that you have to be very flexible and, and put your ego aside.

I had a, my business was pretty expanded. I had an office and I had a staff. At that time, because things were going really well. Uh, when the.com boom hit, I contracted, it’s just like, that’s just the way it is. I let people go and actually gave up my office. I moved back home for awhile and became a solo operator.

And then. When things happen when things improved, I expand it back out. So I’d say having a good relationship with your banker, having the line of credit to buy you some time, be willing to contract if you need to contract. And all those, uh, allowed me to keep going to the point where I was able to stay in business and, and get it back going again.

So out of all your locations, what is your personal favorite? Wow, that is so tough. Uh, I D I definitely have a favorite kind of location. I really like the historical cities where you feel like you’re really walking on the shoulders of giants, you know, where you’ve got cobblestone streets and you’ve got, uh, you know, historical sites and monuments all over the place.

I really like when you’re walking through someplace like that. And so I think for a lot of reasons, I really like the, uh, French quarter in new Orleans. Just the atmosphere of that place. And again, the cobblestones and everything. I really, I really liked that, but, you know, similarly the, uh, old Philadelphia, uh, is great.

The ones that we do in Europe, uh, I’ve done one in the old city in Geneva about three times that I really like, uh, my, probably my favorite experience was when I did one in the loop in Paris, just because I couldn’t believe that. I was there and that I had this opportunity. It was for eBay PayPal. And I remember that experience.

That was so funny was. As I was, I decided to shadow one of the groups and they were racing through, they were on a mission to get to the next clue location. And I finally did. I sort of stopped and said, stop look around for a second. That’s the Venus de Milo over there. Oh yeah. Yeah. Great, great, great. You gotta put in context where you are right now, but they were like on a mission to get to the next clue ever afterwards.

So what did you think of lube? Oh, I didn’t really see it. You know, that’s the funny thing is that when you’re on a treasure hunt, you’re. A lean mean clue solving machine. You don’t necessarily have time to wander or doddle or, or taking areas, recommend to people, uh, come back and spend some time slowly wander around.

But right now you’re on a mission to try and get as many clues as you can. Yes. That’s a good thing. Kind of speaks to how your guests can kind of immerse themselves in the experience. You can hear a pin drop. As soon as you give people the clues, they are sucked right in if I’ve done my job, right. And the clues are really compelling, they will go right at it.

And for the next 30 minutes or 40 minutes, they will be absolutely silently working on those clues, trying to assess them out. And usually people say, well, that was the fastest two hours I’ve ever spent. Yeah, I could see that now. So, so you just gave us a, an interesting story about the loop now. Um, do you have any super bizarre stories, just kind of unimaginable kind of things that have come up and you don’t have to, you know, name names or anything, but let’s kind of some of the weirder stuff.

Well, let’s see. I can, I can tell you my. Near fiasco. I, uh, years ago, Exxon mobile asked me to fly out to Dubai to create a hunt. And I thought this is going to be a maintenance. So I go all the way out to Dubai. I spend a week there scouting, uh, trying to find a good location, and I’ve never been there before.

Uh, I create this hunt and they want to do it, uh, all day long. So there’s going to be a morning hunt, and then they’re going to go to a lunch stop at planet Hollywood. And then they’re going to continue and they’re going to do the afternoon hunt and they doing this all by car. So it was a, a driving treasuring cause Dubai doesn’t have a lot of, uh, small walkable areas.

It’s pretty much it spread out all the interesting locations. So it did it by car. And I had this idea that I wanted to, we had some good photos. So I knew there was this one location, front of a hotel that had this beautiful camel with mosaic tiles and mirrors. And I thought. Great. I’ll just sort of station myself there.

A teen will arrive. I’ll take photos and it’ll be beautiful. It’ll be a great, you know, be a great memory. So I get myself out there by taxi. I’ve got all, all of the colored materials with me for the afternoon hunt. Of course, I’ve got everything with me. I’m just going to go there. Stay at the hotel, take some photos as teams, arrive, grab another taxi and make my way over to planet Holland for, for lunch.

As I’m doing this. And then I’m taking the photos. I realized to my dismay that I have left my bag of clues, all of my materials in the back of the taxi and it’s gone. And this is years ago. This was before cell phones. So I couldn’t just call up and track them down. This was before cell phones. So I’m like, Oh my God, what 10,000 miles to do this program?

And it just drove away and I’m like, what am I going to do? Fortunately, the taxi had given me a receipt and. And I think it on the receipt, it did say the name of the taxi company. So I went to the hotel concierge and said, I’m desperate. Can you please call this taxi company and see if there’s anybody that dropped me off at the so and so hotel, if they have my bag.

And, and so, uh, they, uh, they, they track, they track them guy, Don. He said, yes, I still have it. But the traffic is so terrible. Dubai. It’s, it’s, it’s a nightmare that even if the guy is. Uh, still in town, it’s going to be 45 minutes before they get through traffic and get back to you. So he raises back, uh, I don’t know if he raced back out on the way to his sense of I’m like freaking out.

He finally gets back with the bag. And then I say, take me to the planet Hollywood. And I’m calling the client saying, Oh, got a little delay. I’m caught in a little bit of traffic. I’ll see you soon. Uh, I’ve managed to get to, uh, to the lunch just as they’re finishing lunch. Uh, and then it’s like, hi, everybody ready for stage two?

And then we went on and of course I skipped lunch, but like at no point that I actually let them know where we might not have an afternoon hunt and. Thank goodness. It all worked out, but I will never forget my, uh, my dark days in Dubai. Yeah, you had to be sweat. And that was close call for sure. It was a close call now.

So where you’ve been at this for quite a while, is, is there anything that you you’ve kind kinda, you can kind of reflect on that you wish you would’ve known in your earlier days that you might be able to offer as a, as advice to our entrepreneurial listeners? You know, that’s a good question. I think that, I mean, there’s a lot of things that, you know, I wished that I maybe could have studied a little bit more, uh, finance.

I think that there’s areas when it comes to a business that if you really want to grow, you have to be comfortable with incurring some debt, but you have to and understand how that works and then feel comfortable, which means maintaining good credit. So there’s some things like that, that you just live and learn.

I think that for me, the, the biggest thing has just has to be around selling. Right? Cause I mean, there’s the, you know, you’re figuring out as you go along and you’re your temptation and every entrepreneur gnosis is somebody calls you and you say, Oh, let me tell you what I do. And let me tell you about how great it is.

And let me tell you about all the features. This is how it works. And then the client says, okay, great, what’s the price. And then you tell them the price and then you never hear from them again, right? Because you haven’t actually determined. What their needs are. I haven’t actually, you haven’t taken them through, uh, a process of.

Of, uh, you know, determining their pain. So I think, uh, for a young entrepreneur take some selling classes, some sales classes really learn about value selling and, and how all that works. And I think that, uh, as it goes along, you just figure it out. But, uh, you wanna make sure that you really understand that, uh, some, some solid techniques so that when you have a prospect that you, that you convert them, Assuming it’s a good match.

Of course you can manipulate people. Yeah. You know, that’s been a common topic in a lot of online groups that I participate in lately. Yeah. And, and the way you explained it was, was exactly how you want to approach it, where you want to see what your customer’s pain and focus on, what problems you can solve for them.

You’re not selling them a service. You’re selling them. A solution for, uh, uh, a pain that they have, um, you know, and, and kind of on the same topic. A lot of what I’ve been talking about entrepreneurs lately is where nowadays. Consumers are so inundated with advertisements. So everybody likes to buy, but they don’t like to be sold to.

And so it’s really good to have that human connection. Anytime we get to ask that lately, when, when entrepreneurs say, how do you sell. It’s almost kind of the opposite. You, you sell by not selling you sell by communicating and being human and, and just, um, you know, allowing the customer to relate to you, uh, is really kind of key nowadays with how technology is just inundating everybody.

Yeah. It’s very, it’s very nice. When a client says to you afterwards, the reason I chose you was because of that phone conversation we had, you know, everybody else was trying to sell and we had a real connection and that’s why we ended up choosing you. And then you felt. Validated I think. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

And it also helps you not fell asleep either. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the funny thing is you want to try and find a conversational and real way of conversing with people, but at the same time, you also so want to be directing it in such a way as well. And that’s, that’s the really, the interesting balance is to figure out what their priority is and how their priorities might be at risk.

And then you might even suggest things that you’ve heard other clients say, you know, like I might ask people, uh, how does, how has poor communication playing into you, not achieving what you want to achieve right now? And how about lack of trust? And, uh, you know, this fact that people don’t know each other, how does that affect what’s going on?

So you actually are sort of leading them and if they say no, that’s not it at all. That’s great. But you’re sort of asking how about this? How about this? How about this? And then you don’t, you summarize it. And then in my case, I also ask, what about stress? How does stress play into you not achieving what you’re trying to, you know, your priorities right now.

And, and once they, you know, if they agree with enough of the things that you’re suggesting you say, well, then you can say fantastic. Cause these are all the things that my program. Yes designed, uh, to address. So you, you, you know, and somehow you need to do that in some way that it doesn’t feel salesy and, and that’s, uh, the art in the front of this.

Yeah. Yeah. It really does kind of become an art. So with the, you know, as we kind of get towards the end of this, um, you’re in such an interesting fun industry. So outside of work, what other fun stuff are you into? Uh, I have taken up running a little bit of late. Uh, just a couple of weeks ago, I ran my second half marathon.

So, uh, that’s a great thing to do up here in Northern California, where the weather is so good. Uh, I’m very involved in a organization called Toastmasters. Are you familiar with them? I am. Yeah. Um, but why don’t you tell our listeners about it? Uh, Toastmasters, it’s a, uh, uh, public, it’s a nonprofit, basically.

It’s an organization for people interested in public speaking. And so you get together and you, uh, prep, uh, prepared speeches. You do impromptu speeches and you work on those. There’s also lots of opportunities for leadership and it’s a great for anyone. Who’s absolutely feels like they are going to die.

The next time they stand up in front of a group. This is a great place to practice, uh, practice your skills, get evaluated and build your skills. And I think for entrepreneurs and also for team leaders, uh, there’s going to be times where public speaking is going to be absolutely essential for representing your company or representing your team.

And so the people who have that skill and don’t, uh, aren’t afraid to die in front of the lectern are going to have an advantage. Yeah. Um, Toastmasters is something I’ve been familiar with for a few years. Um, and it’s, uh, Anybody that I spoken to that’s been involved with that has nothing but positive things to say about it.

Yeah. So those are my things. I’m also pretty involved with, uh, with health. I’m actually a plant based eater. So, uh, I enjoy prepping vegan food. I like how you brought up plant based theater. I mean, it is what it is, what it is, man. Well, cool. Um, Dave, um, I appreciate your time before we go. Why don’t you tell our listeners how they can get ahold of you or find out more information?

Website is dr. clue.com, but it’s kind of abbreviated. So it’s D R C L U e.com D R e.com. Uh, you can write me, which is just David DRC, e.com. And, uh, I’m also, you can find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all of those. Very cool. Now, last thing before we go, uh, we don’t tell our guests in advance so we can make the most of it.

We have a random question generator. Okay. So your question is, would you rather a page from your neck up only, or your body only. AIDS from my neck only. So I’m going to have this Adonis body.

Oh, that is a fun question in that. Uh, I think probably, well, that’s an interesting question because if you’re aging from, from your head up, it also means that your brain is becoming wiser. I think, I think, uh, I think probably, uh, I I’d want my brain to continue to grow wiser. We’ll go, we’ll go head up for aging and then I’ll, I’ll try and take care of my body from there.

There you go. All right. Very cool. Dave, lone dr. Clue. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

 

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